Love, Wardeh

I understand. Abortion is a tricky issue to discuss with so much passion involved, it’s easy to step on a land mine…but you didn’t. You were perfectly clear and I appreciate your thoughts and writings. *hugs*

Because we are fearful of making the ills of society worse should not deter us from doing the right thing.

The reason that society is so bad is that people are selfish. They don’t love enough. They don’t follow the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus is Love. Not enough Jesus = not enough Love.

You did say you didn’t want to talk about that, though. But I had to state it because I believe we have to come down to a hard and fast discussion over what’s right.

I do hear what you’re saying. I don’t want you to think I don’t. If I might suggest though, your argument sounds to me like another argument I’ve heard recently. There are those that say we should keep spraying DDT in third world countries because the DDT kills the insects that carry malaria. The result of that is that the inhabitants don’t get malaria. So according to this argument, the poisonous DDT is performing a greater good.

I disagree with this on the same grounds that I disagree with the argument you’ve made. If legal abortions are keeping our social system from degrading even more than it already has, this is not a good reason for continuing to allow it. We should instead do the right thing — make abortions illegal and set about to fix the ails of society.

But since you asked… what about the children? Well, I would imagine there are many, many good loving people who have not put their foot forward for adoption. I have a feeling this is true (but I can’t prove it). I feel they haven’t stepped forward because they know that it is difficult to adopt a baby, so why try? And they also know that in order to adopt from another country there is more red tape and lots of money required. These are the people who would come out of the woodwork to love the babies we save from death.

Instead of aborting babies, I suggest that the other things should be fixed so that the babies can go to loving homes. I would jump at the chance to take one!

I said earlier that we should set about to fix the ails of our society. I don’t believe that is truly possible until Jesus returns to heal the earth. There are many good people who act in love all the time. But there are not enough of them and too many of those who act selfishly and hurt others. But in the meantime, we should never allow individuals to legally end a baby’s life.

I read this post back when you wrote it. I have wanted to respond here many times but didn’t have my thoughts together. I hope what I wrote didn’t offend you; I didn’t mean for it to come across that way if it did. I think you’re articulate, deep, and a true thinker and I admire those qualities in you.

Love, Wardeh

Dear Wardeh,
I agree with you that there isn’t nearly enough love in the world, nearly not enough choices made from love. So many choices seem to be made out of greed or selfishness. I also agree that doing the right thing is what we as human beings should do. How often are decisions based in what a person will gain or lose though? As a nation how often do we see suffering in terms of money made or money lost? Never really seeing the suffering on the level of the individual that is trying to survive and trying to do whats right?
Before I go on, I want you to know that nothing you wrote offends me. I am pleased you feel comfortable enough to express yourself without censor. And I don’t mind you wanting to discuss the religious aspects of this issue, I chose not to, but certainly leave the door open for anyone else to do so.
I believe what bothers me about the issue of Roe v. Wade in this context is that I do believe it will be over turned and I also believe we as a nation are unprepared for it. I’m tired of the government making and changing laws and leaving the people to pick up the pieces without adequate resources. There must be accountibility and thats more what my argument is about and perhaps I should have taken more time and thought to make that clear. I want every child to have what our children have; loving homes, a roof over their heads, warm clothing, an education, and good health care. I don’t want any of them to fall through the cracks simply because no one thought to set something in motion to insure their quality of life, while busy arguing for their right to life. By no means is this an argument for keeping abortion legal, simply because its easier than the other options. I guess its like the old fable about the ant and the grasshopper and there is nothing wrong with actually planning for the winter and working to survive the winter. If people truly want to see abortion end then we as a society must be prepared to take care of the ones who no one wants and insure they have good lives.
I could go on and on about my thoughts on this topic, but suffice it to say…this is about children and I don’t want a single one to slip through the cracks.
Thanks for stopping by and a double thanks for sharing your thoughts. I enjoyed your insight and points.

With that said, we will have to increase our already overcrowded jail sizes because when those people who are caught getting and performing illegal abortions they will in turn go to jail.

It seems to me that it is a vicious circle. And I am against abortion anyway but it may lead to more trouble than it’s worth to change it.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation, so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

P.S. I like your soap box and would NEVER remove your comments…free speech and forward thinking are embraced ’round these parts.

It’s about Children. It’s about PEOPLE.

I agree with Polar – Abortion is the symptom of an underlying issue, not the issue itself. And with a history of almost 5,000 years – recorded history – I seriously doubt OUR generation is going to see an end to the practice of abortion.

Hawk – that was the ASS cheek of indifference that’s been turning, right?

The Day After?

More women dying from illegal abortions. Because in all honesty, if a woman wants one – she’ll find a way to get one. And there are enough Back Street MDs out there who will absolutely find their Niche should Roe v. Wade overturn a woman’s access to legalized abortions. If anyone…ANYONE…thinks that making an abortion illegal will ‘stop’ them? They’re seriously…buttheaded (ie., headuptheass)

Will there be more kids? Sure. And I have one possible solution for caring for them …something my friends on the Left won’t like but will definitely free up some public assistance money so maybe we could create some decent places for the kids to be homed: DEPORT ILLEGALS. If you’re not here legally, you don’t get to stay and you sure as hell don’t get ‘aid’ that my own kid can’t get and that I’m goddamn paying for. Come back into our country legally and I’ll scootch over and make room for you in the bed and we’ll have the doctor pay a house call.

But no other nation on the face of the planet allows the sorts of nonsense we do where ILLEGAL immigration is concerned.

As you can tell I hold a lot of energy of these issues.

I don’t really understand why people would prefer to be illegal aliens than legal aliens. As might be rather obvious at this point, I don’t understand a lot! *l* What exactly is the benefit of being illegal over legal? I’m not certain what I think about immigration…if people want to come to America and its very difficult to receive citizenship (Is it? I don’t know) maybe it does make sense that they would come here illegally…I’m ignorant on this one, but would love to learn more…there is a quote I like about illegal imigration though…”If you think you have a problem with illegal immigrants, talk to a Native American”

I have always believed that the way we treat the least in the world (and by least I tend to think most vulnerable) reveals who we truly are. When we see children as a burden, what are we saying about ourselves? When we see animals as dumb creatures, what are we saying about ourselves? When we see nature as something to exploit and desecrate, what are we saying about ourselves? It is the culture you, Polar, Hawk, and Grace speak of that we must embrace, breath…it is our last, best hope.

As bad as it sounds, we have become a nation of lambs. And lambs are generally lead to slaughter. You have probably heard there exists three types of people; lambs, wolves, and sheep-dogs. I have never been a lamb. A wolf on occasion as required by my work and travels, but always, and always forever, I have been a sheep-dog.

We need to be vocal. We need to be active. We need more than 51% of eligible voters to participate in the democratic process by voting, even if they don’t think their one voice counts. Though it does.

We need a revolution in the sense, that each and everyone one of us need to stop turning the cheek of indifference, and cease with being apathetic. What’s required is social activism, and we need to stand in strength to let these damn wolves in Washington and elsewhere know if they don’t start representing the majority as promised, they asses are going to be kicked out of office.

I’m for term limits. It’s high time long-term political careers were ended. Public Service my ass. The majority of them don’t serve the public; they serve what is ever in the best interests of their own pocketbooks.

I really detest the state of affairs within our country. The bureaucracy, the lying political hacks, the biased press, the bullshit campaign promises, and everything else. But, I continue to be hopeful. There are a great many things wrong with our country that need to be fixed. However, there are a good many things too. Even when things are all screwed-up, there is no better place in the world to be. I can personally attest to this, because I have been to a helluva lot of places.

Your closing about how we allow the media and the government do our thinking for us is exactly on the money. It’s happened to us because as a collective body, we have permitted it occur.

Please accept my apology for bringing out the soapbox. I usually don’t do this. If you would like to remove this commentary, I would not be offended.

This was a damn good topic. I wonder how many others will chime in on this? We’ll see…won’t we!

Later…

I feel abortion is an Effect not a Cause. A symptom if you like. To me arguing for or against it is the same as arguing whether rainy days are cloudy. We can not solve the abortion issue by targeting abortion. If we want to live in a world where all children ARE treated like the precious little gifts they are, then we need to deal with our Societies & Cultures first. For our Societies & Cultures foment the attitudes and habits that lead to so much misery. What would it take to do that? Responsibility, Common sense, Backbones, I don’t know. I just know one cannot change Human nature with laws. Our Nature will need to change first. Abortion will work itself out afterwards.

Holy mackerel am I biting my tongue right now! I promised myself that I would not get political in these pages yet I.. keep… getting…. temp… ted… Uughh. Harley I’m sorry for venting. I know I didn’t answer anything. But I better shut up now while I still can.

As a side note. Did you know that there are people that think the first abortion did not happen until After Roe vs. Wade. They fail to realize it Predates Human Civilization!

OH I’m sorry. Did I say that out loud. Yeah, Yeah, I know. I’m going to Hell. Whatever!

Dear Polar,
Never apologize for venting, which I like to think of as loud thinking. Regardless of whether I agree or disagree, we all need discourse and things that provoke our minds. But, I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments on this issue and the general issue of kids. But, really, its not juts kids…how can we have a society that feels the life of an unborn child is so incredibly important and yet also feels the death penalty is acceptable. Why is one playing at God and the other a form of justice? Why aren’t all people seen as precious gifts? There is something good in everyone, something to give and something to share…I’m not even certain what our society values anymore. It’s okay if you’re going to hell, I’ll be there too. I’ll save you a spot on the Mt. Doom hiking team.